We needed rods for several windows, including a set of french doors/windows that would be 163" across and a curtain rod of that length proved quite difficult to find (at a cost of less than our first house, anyway). I took a chance and ordered these and they are great! I painted them an antique brass color with spray paint and when hung on wall you can not tell that they aren't real brass -- they even got my decorator's approval, which is no small feat! Highly rec'd for those that need a curtain rod for french doors.