These fleece pants are not terrible and are not great. They are a replacement (as several others have noted) for REI fleece pants that are no longer available. Since these are men's and I'm a woman, the fit -- particularly in the thighs -- is not as baggy as pictured. This used to be the same when I was a teenager buying men's Levi's. To get the thighs to fit a woman's figure, the waist was usually inches too large. So no surprise, but I had hoped they would be more of a relaxed fit, like the original REI ones. However, they are suitable, have pockets, ankle zippers and elastic waist that I was looking for for après-cycling wear.